MONASTIC WISDOM:

STORIES FROM THE EGYPTIAN DESERT
Fr Albert Holtz OSB

(Presented as part of the Newark Abbey Lectures on April 15, 1997)

The words "monk" and "monastery" evoke different images for different people. Silent hooded figures gliding along gloomy gothic cloister halls. Peaceful Gregorian chant pouring from a CD player. The taste of Benedictine brandy or Trappist cheese. So before we set off in search of monastic wisdom it would probably help if we spent a few minutes on the historical and theological background of monasticism.

Most of us have heard of St. Benedict of Nursia, who lived from about 480 to 540. He wrote the Rule for Monks which we Benedictines follow here at Newark Abbey. The great wisdom and flexibility of his Holy Rule has earned him the title of "Patriarch of Western Monasticism." We need to go back much further than him, though, to get to the roots of monasticism.

First let’s remember that monasticism is not something peculiar to Christianity. There were Hindu monks in India a thousand years before Christ.

Buddhism, a religion based on the monastic virtue of renunciation, or "non-attachment," puts monks in a central role by its very nature.

Among the Greeks there were communities of men, especially the disciples of Pythagoras, totally dedicated to the search for and the contemplation of Truth and leading an exemplary ascetic life. These Greek philosophical circles gave Christian monasticism much of its vocabulary, words such as koinonia, anachoresis, theoria.

Among the Jews there were the Essenes at the time of Christ, living a dedicated communal life of asceticism. In the past fifty years we’ve learned a lot about them through the discovery of their library at Qumran -- the so-called Dead Sea Scrolls.

Among Christians it was at the end of the Third Century and the beginning of the Fourth that we see the beginnings of monastic life. It seems to have made its appearance everywhere at once, spontaneously growing out of the vitality of each local church. We really don’t know exactly the origins of this phenomenon, but we do know that even before this there were different kinds of what we might call pre-monasticism, and a widespread tradition of asceticism that was as old as the Church itself. For example, there were Christian groups in Syria and Mesopotamia whose ascetic traditions went back to the gospel and were related to deeper spiritual currents in the history of Judaism.

So, from India, across Palestine to Athens, there were constant contacts and mutual influences among all those forms of monastic life. These contacts and influences remain obscure, but they certainly existed.

This brief survey suggests that there is in human nature a monastic dimension, (homo monasticus) that finds its expression, in one way or another, in every culture and every land at every period of history. What do these various expressions have in common that makes them "monastic?" For our purposes we can use Thomas Merton’s description:

Monastic communities are special groups of men and women who separate themselves from the ordinary life of society, take upon themselves particular and difficult obligations, and devote themselves to one task above all: to deepening their understanding and practice of their own religion in its most basic implications (Merton, The Monastic Journey, paperback, pg 22).

One of the characteristics that usually is associated with such groups is the pursuit of wisdom. (Do you remember the television series, Kung Fu, about a Buddhist monk and his training in wisdom?). Today’s books on monasticism for modern Christians often have wisdom as their theme.

This evening I would like to concentrate on the wisdom that has come down to us from one particular geographical area, the northern part of Egypt, the desert just south of Alexandria. It is certainly one of the most important areas in the history of monasticism, and had a remarkable influence on the monastic ideal in the West.

The importance of Egypt in the history of European monasticism is due in great part to the larger-than-life hero of the early monastic movement, St. Antony of Egypt. The story of his life, recorded by St. Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, became an immediate success. Translated from Greek into Latin, within a very short time it had spread throughout the Christian world, east and west, inspiring countless Christians to follow the monastic ideal. This Life of St. Antony contains all the elements of desert monasticism: superhuman self-denial, fasting, miracles and all-night vigils accompanied by bouts with vicious demons. The spiritual life is depicted as a combat between the forces of good and the forces of evil, in which no quarter is asked or given by either side. It is a battle to the death.

Athanasius reminds us that others before Antony had gone out into the desert to do battle alone with the Enemy. By the mid 300’s, thousands of men and women had gone out into the desert south of Alexandria, often gathering in small colonies around a spiritual father. Since this movement was so new, no one knew quite how it ought to be done. There were as yet no books of written rules -- these would come later on. From their collective experiences they made up sort of a "user’s manual" as they went along. An informal body of knowledge on how to live this strange and difficult form of Christianity was passed down by word of mouth. Most of what we know about Egyptian monasticism comes from collections of these "sayings" (called The Apothegmata) and "Lives of the Desert Fathers." It is these sayings and stories that are our subject this evening.

There's no doubt that some of their attitudes toward the body, the emotions, and sexuality are distasteful and even objectionable to Christians of the Twentieth Century, and that some of the elements in the lives of these early saints would be unhelpful and even harmful if applied to life today. On the other hand, the insights they gained in their unrelenting struggles with the forces of evil both in the world and inside themselves are part of the treasure of Christian spirituality and deserve much more attention than they’ve received in the past. These pioneers of the spiritual life are the ancestors of every Christian who tries to take Christ seriously, and their stories are part of our own story. Their sayings, like the desert out of which they were born, are strange and forbidding at first, and don’t always yield their treasures easily. It takes some time and determination for a modern Christian to tap into this unusual and unsettling literature.

In the desert of Skete, a brother went to see Abba Moses and begged him for a word. And the old man said: Go and sit in your cell, and your cell will teach you everything.

This evening, however, I’ve chosen to look at some of the legends and sayings that are easier to understand. We will recognize in them the basic elements of the monastic vision that will appear 200 years later in St. Benedict’s Rule for Monks. And, with the help of the Holy Spirit, we hope to find some simple, practical wisdom for living our own everyday commitment to the Gospel of Christ.

Let’s get to the business at hand.

Remember that these desert monastics and had left behind the distractions of material goods, worldly concerns and bodily pleasures to engage in a single-minded search for God alone. But their insights about fraternal charity sound like documents from Vatican II.

A monk once posed this question to an elder: There are two brothers, one of whom remains praying in his cell, fasting six days at a time and doing a great deal of penance. The other one takes care of the sick. Which one's work is more pleasing to God? The elder replied: If that brother who fasts six days were to hang himself up by the nose, he could not equal the one who takes care of the sick.

It was not just men who contributed to the lore of the desert monasteries, there were some strong-minded women as well, the "ammas."

One day a monk on a journey saw a group of holy women approaching from the other direction. With the typical fear of temptation from sexual thoughts he left the road and gave them a wide berth. But the amma said to him as they passed, "If you were a perfect monk, you would not have looked close enough to see that we were women."

If you’re smiling at the image of that old ascetic hanging by his nose or of the quick-witted abbess scolding a hapless monk, then you’ve caught on to another characteristic of the desert stories: Beneath their deadpan seriousness there is often a mischievous but instructive sense of humor. Imagine the delight that these desert-dwellers must have taken as they retold stories like this one:

One of the brethren asked an elder, saying: Father, do the holy ones always know when the power of God is in them? The elder replied: No, they do not always know it. For once a very great hermit had a disciple who did something wrong and the hermit said to him: "Go and drop dead! Instantly the disciple fell down dead.

The hermit, overcome with terror, began praying to the Lord, saying: "Lord Jesus Christ, I beg you to bring my disciple back to life and from now on I will be careful what I say." And the disciple was restored to life on the spot.

The great thing about these stories is that there are so many lessons in there at once. Are you aware of the power of God you have in yourself? Has a word of yours, spoken in anger, ever slain somebody who was under your care? If even a great saint has to beware of his tongue, then how much more do you and I?

POSSESSIONS, PRESTIGE AND POWER

The monastic life is a special way of seeking God. But God has lots of competitors for our attention. We ten to seek after other things instead, and they never deliver on their promises. There are three great passional quests that can substitute for the quest for God: I call them the three P’s: possessions, power and prestige. Because they are not ultimate, they are not God, they always appear in their imperfect form: the quest for possessions always involves us in greed, the quest for power tends toward domination of others, and the quest for esteem or prestige shows up as vanity. The earliest desert monks knew all of this very well. And much of their wisdom is simply ways of keeping those passional quests from getting in the way of their seeking of God. Here’s their strategy as one teacher put it:

Either fly as far as you can from the world, or else, laughing at the world and those who are in it, make yourself a fool in many things.

Modern Christians who live in the everyday world can learn a lot from the stories of the desert monks who laughed at the three P’s which people in the world seek so seriously. So I would like to start our consideration of the wisdom of the monastic desert with those three areas that we all deal with: possessions, prestige and power.

Let’s start with the notion of possessions. Our "stuff" is so important to us -- cars, clothes, houses and refrigerators. Listen to this tale of one monk's attitude toward what he owned:

When Abbot Macarius was in Egypt, he had left his cell, and when he got back he found a robber in the process of stealing everything he owned. After watching for awhile he finally began helping load the robber's donkey with the stolen goods. Leading the animal out to the road he said, "We brought nothing into the world. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away: and as he willed, so it has come to pass. Blessed be the Lord in all things."

The wise old man's kindness in helping load the burglar's mule is a humorous but pointed way of calling our attention to our own fanatical preoccupation with the material "stuff" we have accumulated and on which we have become so dependent. Still, this example may seem a little impractical to someone with the responsibility of raising a family or administering an apostolate. So perhaps another story will hit closer to home:

There were two elders living together in a cell, and they had never had so much as a single quarrel. So one of them said to the other, "Come on, let's have at least one quarrel, like other people." The other said, "But I don't know how to start a quarrel." The first answered: "Look, I'll take this brick and place it here between us. Then I'll say it's mine and you'll say it's yours. This is what leads to arguments and fights." So they put the brick between them, and one said, "It's mine!" Then the other replied "Well, I think it's mine." The first one said again, "It is not, it's mine!" So the other answered, "Well, then, if it's yours, take it!" It seems they never did manage to start that quarrel.

Eventually these stories about detachment from possessions will find their way into the tradition from which Benedict would draw his teaching on common ownership and frugality.

The second of the great human quests is for esteem, prestige. We often get in trouble because of our need to feel loved, appreciated, or respected by others. We care passionately about our reputation and our good name. The desert monks had a different attitude toward their own public image.

A governor had heard tell of Abba Moses and went of to Scete to see him. They told the old man of this and he immediately got up and fled into the swamp. The governor met him and said, "Tell me, old man, where is the cell of Abba Moses?" He answered them, "What do you want to see him for? He’s a simpleton and a heretic." So the governor went to the church and said to the clerics: "Having heard of Abba Moses, I came to see him; but just now we met an old man on his way to Egypt and we said to him, "Where is the cell of Abba Moses?" and he said to us, What do you want of him? He’s a simpleton and a heretic!" These words saddened the clerics. They said to him, "Describe this old man who said such awful things against the saint." They answered, "Well he was tall old man, and black, wearing ragged clothes." The clerics said, "Ah! that was Abba Moses himself; it was because he doesn’t want to meet you that he said that about himself." And the governor, greatly edified, went away.

Ambition and striving to achieve career goals are not inventions of modern corporate America. Even the monastics of Egypt had to contend with this temptation. An elder said to some monks,

If you see a young monk by his own will climbing up into heaven, take him by the foot and pull him back down to earth, because what he's doing is no good for him.

Here’s is one of my favorite stories:

It was told of Abbot John the Dwarf that once he had said to his elder brother: I want to live in the same security as the angels have, doing no work, but serving God without intermission. And casting off everything he had on, he started out into the desert. When a week had gone by he returned to his brother. And when he knocked on the door, his brother asked: Who are you? He replied: I am John. Then his brother answered and said: John has become an angel and is no longer among men. But John kept on knocking and said, It is I. Still the brother did not open, but kept him waiting. Finally, opening the door, he said: If you are a man, you are going to have to start working again in order to live. But if you are an angel, why do you come into a cell? So John did penance and said: Forgive me, brother, for I have sinned.

Sometimes we have a very demanding ideal to which we hold ourselves, and then get frustrated when we can't live up to it. We get impatient with ourselves because we're not as virtuous as we should be. We lose heart when our efforts at the spiritual life don't give immediate results. To such folks one elder offers this food for thought:

The reason why we don’t get anywhere is because we don't know our limits, and we're not patient in carrying on the work we've begun. We want to arrive at virtue without any labor at all.

This honest facing of our true selves would later mature into Benedict’s theology of humility, and form what some say is the central chapter in the Rule.

Having looked at possessions and prestige, let’s look at the third and last of the three P’s, the quest for power, the insistence on making things happen just the way we want them to. Our Egyptian forbears had lots of advice about this human desire to always be in control and run our own show.

One of the brethren had been insulted by another and was set on revenge. He came to Abbot Sisois and told him what had happened. "I'm going to get even, Father," he vowed. But the elder tried to persuade him to leave the affair in the hands of God. "No!" said the brother, "I'm not giving up until I've made that fellow pay for what he said!" The elder stood up, lifted his hands and began to pray aloud, "O God, Thou art no longer necessary to us, and we no longer need Thee to take care of us since, as this brother says, we both can and will avenge ourselves." The point wasn't lost on the angry monk, who then promised to give up his plans for revenge.

What about the demands we make on those around us? Isn't it important to use our power to demand high standards of efficiency and effectiveness and to hold people accountable for their mistakes?

Well, it seems that one of the fathers fell ill, and for many days couldn't eat anything. One of his disciples urged him to eat: "If you'll let me, father, I'll make you a little cake." The old man nodded, and so the other made the cake. Now there were two pots there side by side, one containing honey and the other rancid linseed oil used for the lamp. The brother took this second pot and emptied some of it into the cake, thinking he was adding honey. Although the old man tasted it, he didn't say anything, but just kept eating in silence. When he was offered a third helping, though, he said, "Really, my son, I can't eat any more." But the young man wouldn't hear of it. "Look, father. They're good cakes - I'm eating some myself...." When he tasted his concoction he realized what he'd done and threw himself on his face saying, "Woe is me, father! I've killed you! You've caused this sin in me because you didn't say anything!" But the old man replied in the calmest of voices, "Don't worry about it, my son. If God had wanted me to eat a good cake, you would've put in the honey and not the linseed oil."

Perhaps he should have scolded the young monk and warned him to be more careful next time. But somehow the old man’s approach seems to have more of the saint about it.

What could be more serious than a community's obligation to exercise its power to condemn and correct wrongdoing when it is discovered in someone? Monks were very earnest indeed about this practice. But on one occasion our friend Abbot Moses, who had been converted late in life from the career of a highway robber, offered a wise lesson to an over-zealous community:

One of the monks had committed some fault, so the elders assembled and sent for Abbot Moses to join them. But he didn't want to come. Finally the priest sent him the message, "Come, the community of brethren are waiting for you." So reluctantly he got up and started off. He took an old basket full of holes, filled it with sand, and carried it along behind him. The elders came out to meet him and said, "What is this, father?" The abba replied, "My sins are running out behind me, and I don't see them, yet today I have come to judge the sins of someone else!" When they heard Moses' words they pardoned the brother and forgot the whole thing.

In their no-holds-barred battle against possessions, power and prestige the Egyptian monastics, men and women, were certainly extremists, make no mistake about it. But listen to the balance and sensitivity in this little saying:

Abbot Mark once said to Abbot Arsenius: It is good, is it not, to have nothing in your cell that just gives you pleasure? For example, once I knew a brother who had a little wildflower that came up in his cell, and he pulled it out by the roots. "Well," said Abbot Arsenius, "that is all right. But each one should act according to his own spiritual way. And if one were not able to get along without the flower, he should plant it again."

Despite their fanatical seriousness they know about the need to stay within our limits.

Once the famous Saint Antony was conversing with some brethren when a hunter who was after game in the wilderness happened by. He saw Abbot Antony and the brothers enjoying themselves, and clucked his tongue in disapproval. Abbot Antony told him, "Put an arrow in your bow and shoot it." He did so. "Now shoot another," said the abbot, "....And another....And another." The hunter complained, "If I bend my bow all the time it'll break!" Abbot Antony smiled gently as his point struck home. "It's that way, too, with the work of God. If we keep pushing ourselves too hard, the brothers will soon collapse."

PRAYER

The wisdom of the desert with regard to the three P’s was not an end in itself. The whole idea was to be free for communing with God. They tried to take literally the scriptural injunction to "pray constantly," and spent most of their time in prayer. So their wisdom sayings about prayer should be of special interest to other Christians who are serious about praying. (Cf. Listen to the Desert)

Abbess Syncletica of holy memory said: There is labor and great struggle for the impious who are converted to God, but after that comes inexpressible joy. Someone who wants to light a fire is first plagued by smoke, and the smoke drives him to tears, yet finally he gets the fire he wants. So also it is written: Our God is a consuming fire. Hence we ought to light the divine fire in ourselves with labor and with tears.

Prayer is hard work. The brethren once asked the abbot Agatho which virtue in the monastic life was the most difficult. Here’s what he said to them:

Forgive me, but to my mind there is no labor so great as praying to God: For when you wish to pray to God, the hostile demons make haste to interrupt your prayer, knowing that their sole hindrance lies in this, a prayer poured out to God. With any other labor that you undertake in the life of religion, however diligently and strictly you keep to it, you get some rest: but prayer has the struggle of a mighty conflict to your last breath.

Anyone who has ever tried praying knows that distractions can be a vexing problem. Sometimes we become more concerned about avoiding distractions than about praying. What if distractions become a "serious" problem? Well, listen:

One brother came to Abbot Pastor and said, "All sorts of distracting thoughts keep coming into my mind, and I'm in danger because of them." Then the elder pushed him out into the open air and said, "Open up your cloak and capture the wind in it!" But he objected, "I can't do it." So the elder said to him, "Exactly! And if you can't catch the wind, neither can you prevent distracting thoughts from coming into your head. Your job is just to say no to them."

Even temptations themselves, which often caused the ascetics to resort to the strangest extremes, can also be treated with a balanced gracefulness:

One of the elders said, "It isn't because evil thoughts come to us that we are condemned, but only because we make use of evil thoughts. Of course, it can happen that we suffer shipwreck because of these thoughts, but it can also happen that because of them we are crowned."

THE WAR AGAINST THE DEMONS

The subject of distractions and temptations brings us to a central aspect of the theology of the desert monks: the battle against the demons. About a third of the Life of St. Antony is a discourse on demons. Deserts, like cemeteries, were considered to be the abode of the demons. So the life of the desert monk was seen as a constant combat against the forces of evil. The demons would take all sorts of shapes and use a variety of tricks in their attempts to trip up the monastic desert dwellers and scare them off..

It’s hard nowadays to take the idea of devils and demons seriously. Devils have become cuddly sports mascots and mischievous characters on the labels of paint cans. Demonic possession has been reduced to a Hollywood cliché, a collection of bizarre special effects that frighten but seldom enlighten. The demonology of the desert fathers, however, has little in common with the version of the Devil portrayed in "The Exorcist." It is instead a subtle study of the forces both inside and outside of us that influence our actions.

We often sense a "power of evil" at work in certain people and events around us, but we’re more at home using abstract psychological metaphors to explain human behavior and motivation. No doubt modern psychology gives us tremendous help in unlocking the secrets of our inner life. But for keen insight into the workings of the human heart it’s hard to beat the early masters of Christian spirituality, the desert fathers and mothers. Much of their spirituality was cast in the imagery of stories about demons. Not infrequently a modern psychologist arrives at some insight that turns out to be a time-worn truism that some early monastic mother or father had long ago couched in terms of some demon or other: "The demon of greed came to a brother one day..." or "The demon of pride approached a brother in his cell..."

The first thing we need to know about demons is that although they can cause us trouble, they need never win. Christ’s victory at Easter completely overcame the forces of evil -- they no longer have any control over us. The only power they have is the power they talk us into giving to them.

A brother once asked abbot Pambo (another one of the most famous desert fathers), "How come the devils keep me from doing good to my neighbor?" Pambo scolded him, "Don't talk like that! Is God a liar? Why not just admit that you don't want to be merciful? Didn't God say long ago, 'I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions and on all the forces of the enemy?' So why don't you just stamp out the evil spirit?"

In the stories of the desert monks of Egypt we learn that simply mentioning the name of Jesus or making the sign of the cross was usually enough to drive a demon away. Saint Macarius the Younger was said to have had the gift of "spitting on demons." When a devil approached him he’d simply blow him away. It wasn’t even a contest!

The following story about Macarius (the one who had the gift of spitting on demons) reminds us how little fear the devil need inspire in one who truly lives in Christ:

Once the famous Abbot Macarius was traveling across the desert, and decided to spend the night in a pyramid, where, of course, the bodies of many pagans had been laid to rest over the years. Unconcerned by the presence of death all around him, the old man dragged out one of the mummies and put it under his head for a pillow! Of course the local devils flew into a rage over such boldness and decided to scare him off. From the other bodies they began to call to the mummy under the abbot's head, "Lady, come with us to the baths!" Another demon took the role of the lady-mummy who was being used as a pillow and answered, "I'd love to, but I can't. This stranger is holding me down." The elder, not the least bit frightened, sat up and started to pummel the corpse while shouting at it, "So get up and go swimming if you can!" When they heard this response, they cried, "You win!" and they fled in confusion.

Imagine if we had the presence of mind to recognize the devil at work in us! If only we could realize the power that our baptism gives us over evil! The only power the demons have in our lives is the power we choose to give them.

All this is not to say that dealing with the Devil is to be taken lightly. Remember that the apostles had trouble driving out demons because of their own lack of faith, and because some evils "can only be driven out by prayer and fasting." Still, this is a pretty optimistic starting point for us would-be saints. Although there are evil powers in the world that try to keep us from our goal, the victory is already assured if only we have faith. When in doubt, spit!

Another insight from these early spiritual giants is this: The Devil is always stirring things up. He’s the master of dissension and discord. In fact, this is such a trademark of the Devil that it’s one of the keys to telling a good spirit from an evil one. Evil spirits always leave a person somehow upset and disturbed, while the Spirit of God leaves a person experiencing that peace that the world cannot give.

A favorite strategy of the Evil One is to wear us down, to discourage us. Our disappointments can teach us patience, and our failures can teach us wisdom. But the Devil whispers that failures and sins are really defeats, that we’re really not getting anywhere with this spiritual life thing, and that it makes more sense to just give up. Each of us has heard that little demon’s voice a few times, trying to get us to abandon the struggle.

In the church of St. Etienne du Mont in Paris is a statue that seems to be aimed at just this kind of discouragement. It is a statue of Saint Genevieve, the patroness of Paris. She’s holding a white candle. Because of the shadows you might not notice right away that Genevieve is not alone. Sitting on her left shoulder is a small dark brown demon whose cheeks are puffed with evil breath as he blows out the flame of the white candle the saint is holding. But on her other shoulder is the calmest-looking little white-robed angel holding a lighted taper. Every time the evil spirit blows out Genevieve’s candle, it seems the good angel will just reach across and light it again. No problem!

It reminds me that my life is likely to be a constant struggle against hopelessness and despair. When I’ve just about had it with my job, or with my community, when the flame of love or hope has been blown out, I can remember the wise insight of the statue of St. Genevieve: God’s angel is always going to be there to re-light the candle. My shortcomings and vices may extinguish the flame, but I always have the right to start over. My ancestors in the faith, the desert mothers and fathers, assure me that although I may get tired of the battle, God’s angel never does. I may grow weary of the constant repetition of the same old shortcomings and sins, and wonder how God ever puts up with my boring inability to change. But the tireless angel with the taper is there to light the candle of holiness one more time.

Finally, it’s important to be able to tell a good spirit from a bad one. We’ve already noted, for example, how a certain peacefulness is a valuable sign that the spirit that has come to you is from heaven and not from the Evil one. This discernment of spirits once took a humorous turn when

a devil changed himself into a bright angel and appeared to a monk. "I am the angel Gabriel," he lied, "and I have been sent to you." But the brother wasn't about to be taken in, and replied, "Think again - you must have been sent to somebody else. I haven't done anything to deserve an angel!"

In the face of this realistic self-assessment the devil had to retreat.

I hope that we will each take something away from our evening with the desert fathers and mothers. Maybe it will be a renewed sense of the joy that comes from single-minded commitment to God. Or maybe it will encourage us to get our own priorities in order and to simplify our lives a little, or worry a little less about money and our material "stuff." Maybe it will give us a greater sense of optimism during our own struggles against some particular evil. Let us leave this monastery this evening encouraged by our fathers and mothers in the desert. Through the power of the risen Christ, we, like them, have the power to overcome the demons that beset our lives, our city, and the world around us. Who knows, one or another of us may even be moved to push out the boundaries of our own safe, limited brand of Christianity, in response to this final story:

Abbot Lot came to Abbot Joseph and said: Father, according as I am able, I keep my little rule, and my little fast, my prayer, my meditation and contemplative silence; and according as I am able I strive to cleanse my heart of thoughts: now what more should I do? The elder rose up in reply and stretched out his hands to heaven, and his fingers became like ten lamps of fire. He said: Why not be changed totally into fire?

Well, why not?